Old Books with Grace
Listening to the past can help us to understand our present. Dr. Grace Hamman, medievalist and writer, guides listeners to approach often intimidating works of literature and theology and learn to ask questions of our current age. Let‘s read old books together and discover truths about God and ourselves.
Listening to the past can help us to understand our present. Dr. Grace Hamman, medievalist and writer, guides listeners to approach often intimidating works of literature and theology and learn to ask questions of our current age. Let‘s read old books together and discover truths about God and ourselves.
Episodes

Wednesday Feb 18, 2026
Lenten Poetry 2026: Three Middle English Lyrics
Wednesday Feb 18, 2026
Wednesday Feb 18, 2026
Grace is delighted to kick off this year’s Lent series. Every other week during Lent Grace will have a guest who has chosen a Lenten-themed poem to share. Today, though, is just a little meditative beginning with three Middle English poems, text below, translations by Grace Hamman.
Westminster Abbey MS 27 (175 in Carleton Brown's XVth Century Lyrics)
Wise men bene but scorned,
& wedows eke foryerned,
Grete men arn bot glosid,
& smale men arn borne doun & myslosed,
Lordis wex euer blynd,
Ffrendis ben vnkynde,
Dethe is oute of mynde,
Treuth may no man fynde.
Wise men are only mocked,
and widows are forgotten,
Great men are flattered,
& the little ones are downtrodden and blamed,
The powerful grow ever more blind,
Friends become unkind,
Death has left the mind,
Truth itself no man can find.
Advocates Lib. 18.7.21 (66 in Brown's XIVth Century Lyrics)
Loue me brouthte,
& loue me wrouthte,
Man, to be thi fere.
Loue me fedde,
& loue me ledde,
& loue me lettet here.
Loue me slou,
& loue me drou,
& loue me leyde on bere.
Loue is my pes,
For loue I ches,
Man to by3en dere.
Ne dred the nouth
I haue the south,
Bothen day & nith,
to hauen the,
Wel is me,
I haue the wonnen in fith.
Love brought me,
Love wrought me,
Man, to be your advocate.
Love fed me,
Love led me,
And love stopped me here.
Love slew me,
Love drew me,
Love laid me on bier.
Love is my peace,
For love I chose
Man to buy so dear [at a high cost].
Dread thee nought,
For I have thee sought,
Both day and night.
In having thee
Well is me.
I have won thee in the fight.
Advocates MS 19. I. II, (111 in Brown's XVth Century Lyrics)
I Haue laborede sore and suffered deyth,
and now I Rest and draw my breyght,
but I schall come and call Ryght sone
heuene and erght and hell to dome;
and thane schall know both devyll and mane,
What I was and what I ame.
I have labored sore and suffered death,
and now I rest and draw my breath,
but I shall come and call very soon
heaven and earth and hell to doom [judgment];
And then shall know, both devil and man,
What I was and who I am.

Thursday Dec 11, 2025
William Blake with Paul Pastor
Thursday Dec 11, 2025
Thursday Dec 11, 2025
Today, Grace chats with the poet Paul Pastor on another poet, the revolutionary thinker and artist William Blake.
Paul J. Pastor is Executive Editor of Nelson Books at HarperCollins, an essayist, critic, and poet, writer of The Rose Fire on Substack, and author of several books, most recently The Locust Years: Poems, from Wiseblood Books. He lives in Oregon.
Grace is going to take a sabbatical from Old Books with Grace for a few months as she and her family are in the middle of several big projects and changes. You can keep up with her at gracehamman.substack.com while she's taking a break from the podcast, though!
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Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Vices in the Modern World with Elizabeth Oldfield
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Today Grace welcomes Elizabeth Oldfield to recast these ancient ideas of vices and virtues into contemporary language. Why should we care about these ancient and sometimes worn-thin concepts? How can they speak to our world today--even if that world does not believe the same things as the church believes?
Elizabeth Oldfield is the author of Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times. She is a speaker, coach, and consultant, and the host of The Sacred podcast. Elizabeth has a masters in Theology and the Arts and lives in an intentional Christian community in South London with her family.

Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Learning from the Desert Fathers and Mothers with Lisa Colón DeLay
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Today, Grace welcomes author Lisa Colón DeLay to discuss the fascinating ancient Christians that we now call the Desert Fathers and Mothers. People like Evagrius, Amma Theodora, St. Moses the Black, St. Anthony the Great, and many others offer deep wisdom in their own time and to us today.
Lisa Colón DeLay is the author of The Wild Land Within and has an MA in spiritual formation. She writes, teaches, and creates products and resources related to spiritual formation. Since 2015, she has hosted Spark My Muse, a top-rated religion and spirituality podcast. DeLay grew up in Pittsburgh, having left her native country of Puerto Rico, and now resides near the Appalachian Trail in a small town in Pennsylvania. Discover more, including more links and more information on her new book and the desert fathers and mothers, at lisadelay.com.
Learn more about Grace's new book, Ask of Old Paths: Medieval Virtues & Vices for a Whole & Holy Life.

Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Chatting Chaucer with Jessica Ward
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
This week, Grace welcomes her dear friend from graduate school, fellow medievalist Dr. Jessica D. Ward, to discuss one of their favorites: Geoffrey Chaucer, author of the great Canterbury Tales! Come for Middle English, discussions of why Chaucer deserves his reputation, and continuing discussion of the backgrounds in Grace's new book, Ask of Old Paths, as Grace and Jessica discuss their mutual interests in the Parson's Tale and penitential literature.
Dr. Jessica D. Ward is an early English literature scholar. She has taught undergraduate and graduate courses on medieval and early modern literature, culture, and language and has written for various academic journals and collections on these topics. She has served as a dramaturg for professional Shakespeare productions in New York as well as in Texas, where she now lives with her husband, toddler son, and their spunky little lion dog, Oscar, the shih tzu. She enjoys delighting in Middle English and its muses and legacies on Substack in her newsletter Middle English Delights.
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Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
The Seven Capital Vices with Rebecca DeYoung
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Grace invites on one of her heroes (!), Professor Rebecca Konyndyk DeYoung, professor of medieval philosophy and author of Glittering Vices. They talk Aquinas, vices, Jane Austen, and more in this delightful conversation.
Rebecca DeYoung (Ph.D. University of Notre Dame) has enjoyed teaching ethics and the history of ancient and medieval philosophy at Calvin College for over 20 years. Her research focuses on the seven deadly sins, and virtue ethics, as well as Thomas Aquinas’s work on the virtues. Her books include Glittering Vices, Vainglory, and a co-authored volume entitled Aquinas’s Ethics. Awards for her work include the Book and Essay Prize from the Character Project and the C.S. Lewis prize for Glittering Vices. She speaks widely, including opportunities to teach in prison. She and her husband Scot live in Grand Rapids, near the beautiful Lake Michigan shoreline. They have four adult children.
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Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Virtues & Vices with Scott & Grace Hamman
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Welcome to season six of Old Books with Grace! Today, the tables are turned. Grace welcomes her very own husband, the wonderfully handsome, talented, and clever structural engineer, Scott Hamman, to interview her on her new book, Ask of Old Paths: Medieval Virtues & Vices for a Whole & Holy Life. This episode kicks off a lovely series on virtues and vices this fall featuring many wonderful thinkers.
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Tuesday May 13, 2025
Beauty, Art, and Thomas Aquinas with Daniel McInerny
Tuesday May 13, 2025
Tuesday May 13, 2025
In today's episode, Grace welcomes Dr. Daniel McInerney to think about some big questions: what is the relationship between beauty and art? Art and imitation? This conversation ranges from Aristotle to Austen in its exploration of literary, visual, and dramatic art.
Daniel McInerny is associate professor and chair of the philosophy department at Christendom College in Front Royal, Virginia. Daniel is the author of Beauty & Imitation: A Philosophical Reflection on the Arts. He is also a novelist and dramatist and writes the Substack newsletter, The Comic Muse, a review of culture and the arts. Daniel and his wife Amy have three grown children and two adorable grandchildren and live in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley of Virginia.
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